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It's just that I want to be able to quickly enter a Citation in "Chicago Style" (''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicago_Manual_of_Style The Chicago Manual of Style]'') or ''the'' general 80% use-case citation style by filling out a dialog box or template but without needing to brush up on things I might have learned while writing papers in college. | It's just that I want to be able to quickly enter a Citation in "Chicago Style" (''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicago_Manual_of_Style The Chicago Manual of Style]'') or ''the'' general 80% use-case citation style by filling out a dialog box or template but without needing to brush up on things I might have learned while writing papers in college. | ||
It's great that the open source community - both developers and editors - has been hacking away at Citations as a feature for years (e.g. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Results/Citations 2021 Wishlist Survey results for Citations] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Results/Citations 2022] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/Results/Citations 2023] and an entire conference series called "WikiCite" eg. WikiCite 2020 presentation "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJbbvjXtkg The frontend of WikiCite]" {{#ev:youtube|gCJbbvjXtkg|start=6:18}}). | It's great that the open source community - both developers and editors - has been hacking away at Citations as a feature for years (e.g. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Results/Citations 2021 Wishlist Survey results for Citations] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Results/Citations 2022] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/Results/Citations 2023] and an entire conference series called "WikiCite" eg. WikiCite 2020 presentation "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJbbvjXtkg The frontend of WikiCite]" {{#ev:youtube|gCJbbvjXtkg|start=6:18}}) which also has an [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/The_frontend_of_WikiCite extensive etherpad]. | ||
There has also been a years-long initiative to create "'''Global templates'''" | There has also been a years-long initiative to create "'''Global templates'''" | ||
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* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Taxonomy | * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Taxonomy | ||
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Taxonomy#Citations | * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Taxonomy#Citations | ||
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Alternative_solutions | |||
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Transition | |||
But in a 3rd-party context, I don't want to have to know or understand any of that in order to accomplish the simple task at hand: creating a citation/footnote in a standard format. | But in a 3rd-party context, I don't want to have to know or understand any of that in order to accomplish the simple task at hand: creating a citation/footnote in a standard format. | ||
And, from a competitive landscape perspective, if Drupal, WordPress, and writers tools like Scribbr have Citation generation "built-in"<ref>Check how these other projects use CSL and/or perhaps use a library for CSL like Citation.js? https://citationstyles.org/</ref> then why doesn't MediaWiki? | |||
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Without an easy '''existing''' solution, users will simply not adopt the software, or not reference information that should be referenced. You could ''maybe'' resort to third-party tools to help you create parenthetical referfences (e.g. [https://www.scribbr.com/citing-sources/citation-styles/ Scribbr]), but that is a failure from the MediaWiki project perspective if users need to use other tools for basic functionality. | Without an easy '''existing''' solution, users will simply not adopt the software, or not reference information that should be referenced. You could ''maybe'' resort to third-party tools to help you create parenthetical referfences (e.g. [https://www.scribbr.com/citing-sources/citation-styles/ Scribbr]), but that is a failure from the MediaWiki project perspective if users need to use other tools for basic functionality. | ||
''' | '''One idea''' | ||
We can develop a basic set of templates and possibly Lua code, system messages and Project namespace content bundled into a Page Exchange bundle. | We can develop a basic set of templates and possibly Lua code, system messages and Project namespace content bundled into a Page Exchange bundle. | ||
== See Also == | == See Also == | ||